mibuso.com

Microsoft Business Solutions online community
It is currently Sun May 19, 2013 5:43 am

All times are UTC + 1 hour [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: "Can anyone get me......"
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:57 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:43 pm
Posts: 61
Location: 's-Hertogenbosch
Country: Netherlands (nl)
On this forum often some NAV-expert "wannabee" asks the question:

"Can someone get me the questions and answers of exam MB?-????".

Why not ban those people from this site?

First of all, administrators answering that only good studying will lead to good results, takes up a lot of their time.

And second of all, who's fooling who, by asking for examquestions and exams??? :^o

_________________
Man who put head on railroad track get splitting headache...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: "Can anyone get me......"
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:15 pm 
Offline
MVP Microsoft Dynamics NAV

Joined: Thu Jan 02, 2003 6:37 pm
Posts: 7931
Location: Howell, MI
Country: United States (us)
Why not simply ignore those people? You can't make them go away, they will do whatever they want anyway. They WILL eventually 'fall through the basket' (as Dutch people like to say :mrgreen:), and by then it is their problem, not yours.

I don't like it either, but hey it happens, and you can't do anything about it. Relax, don't get too worked up about it 8)

_________________
Daniel Rimmelzwaan
MVP - Dynamics NAV


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: "Can anyone get me......"
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:18 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:49 pm
Posts: 1142
Location: Athens
Country: Greece (gr)
Mike1 wrote:
Why not ban those people from this site?


I don't think we should ban them. Maybe knowing who is asking is better.

But I think that the only one to blame here is Microsoft (and any other company doing the same thing) Exams should be updated constantly, and there should be as many questions as possible, to make it too difficult ("impossible" here is impossible) to collect a large number of them. If this was the case, less people would ask this...


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: "Can anyone get me......"
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:23 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:43 pm
Posts: 61
Location: 's-Hertogenbosch
Country: Netherlands (nl)
I guess ignoring is indeed the best thing to do.

Sometimes it's difficult. I passed both financial and warehousing exam. But not at once. So, reading this forum, i find it frustrating that a lot of people have the guts to ask for exam answers in order to get certified.

But, you're right, Denster, in the end, "They will fall through the basket " :lol:

_________________
Man who put head on railroad track get splitting headache...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: "Can anyone get me......"
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:25 pm 
Offline
MVP Microsoft Dynamics NAV

Joined: Thu Jan 02, 2003 6:37 pm
Posts: 7931
Location: Howell, MI
Country: United States (us)
The only way to accurately measure people's skill level is to have them show it to you. This would however be a very expensive way of examining people, which is why they don't do it. However you do it though, people will always share brandumps. It happens everywhere, in high school, in college, universities, everywhere. You can make a big deal out of it, but that won't stop it from happening.

I wish that the DEV exams were done the way they used to do them when I started, where you had to actually develop a project for the exam and turn in the objects to the teacher.

_________________
Daniel Rimmelzwaan
MVP - Dynamics NAV


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: "Can anyone get me......"
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:31 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:43 pm
Posts: 61
Location: 's-Hertogenbosch
Country: Netherlands (nl)
I'm sorry, I only know the multiple choice exams...

In real life is where it comes to showing your expertise in NAV.

You can learn all questions by heart, but when you have to use what you have learned, but you haven't got a clue what you are doing it really proves if you are a NAV expert or not....

_________________
Man who put head on railroad track get splitting headache...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: "Can anyone get me......"
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:00 pm 
Offline
MVP Microsoft Dynamics NAV

Joined: Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:05 pm
Posts: 4856
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Country: United States (us)
This has been an issue long before Microsoft took over Navision. It hasn't changed then, and it won't change now.

To make up a lot of questions will take a lot of resource (time and money). I don't think testing is in MSFT's top priority, rather, as a software company, they're focused more on creating new products to sell.

I don't think they'll (re)introduce a test where you actually submit an actual project in since, again, it will take too much resource that MSFT does not want to give.

_________________
Confessions of a Dynamics NAV Consultant = my blog
AP Commerce, Inc. = where I work


Top
 Profile E-mail WWW  
 
 Post subject: Re: "Can anyone get me......"
PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:28 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:24 pm
Posts: 2573
Location: MA
Country: United States (us)
Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have turned "certification and testing" into just another profit center. Their goal seems to geared toward pushing more and more people thru "certification". IMHO this has resulted in the industry being flooded with "paper experts". This is not limited to NAV, in fact not even to Microsoft. You can go to the local community college for a few months and come out with your MCSE. Never having worked in a real enviroment.

As mentioned above, I recall that 2 weeks NAV Developer class with the exam at the end. I also remember maintaining a Novell CNE certification, back in the day, where you had to provide customer references as part of the certification process. And yes, they called them.

Back on the subject of responding to user's request for exam questions:

When you take your certification exams you sign to a non-disclosure agreement. It's on those screens in the beginning. That agreement binds you to not disclosing any information in the exam. Now, that agreement doesn't bar you from telling someone what they should study nor does it impact the various authors of study guides with sample questions. But it does bar you from disclosing the exact exam questions.

_________________
There are no bugs - only undocumented features.


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: "Can anyone get me......"
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:42 pm 
Offline
MVP Microsoft Dynamics NAV

Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:01 am
Posts: 5315
Location: Prague
Country: Czech Republic (cz)
bbrown wrote:
When you take your certification exams you sign to a non-disclosure agreement. It's on those screens in the beginning. That agreement binds you to not disclosing any information in the exam. Now, that agreement doesn't bar you from telling someone what they should study nor does it impact the various authors of study guides with sample questions. But it does bar you from disclosing the exact exam questions.


It goes a lot further than that. Now a days the easiest solution is just directly hacking the Training centers. the cheat notes are no longer just pdf lists of questions, now they are the actual tests.

Although the core reason for this is the desire to get as many certified developers/consultants/trainers (or what ever you want to call them) out there. the underlying fault lies with customers.

Key issues such as Cost of Owner ship and ROI are often only given a cursory role in projects. Instead of a client asking "What is the total cost of this, and what will be the benefit to my company" the question "what's your hourly rate" becomes a driving factor. To get hourly rates way down quality goes down and cost goes up.

Now of course this does not work the other way around (i.e. higher rates does not mean higher quality), but customers need to question that when they are getting offered very low rates, what are they getting for those rates. And then keep in mind the cost to properly train high end people. eventually you will see that it can only be done by pumping out certified people.

_________________
David Singleton
Dynamics NAV Freelancer
Dynamics Book
Go-Live International


Top
 Profile E-mail WWW  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

All times are UTC + 1 hour [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum


Search for:
Jump to: