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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:31 pm 
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No, Entrepreneur customers cannot buy single objects (i.e. 100 Codeunits)

All right, clear answer. thanks.

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The only way to have a solution available on Entrepreneur is to register it and pass the Entrepreneur ISV test.

On the Partnersource-Site "Microsoft Dynamics Entrepreneur Solution Add-On Registration" they write:

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Although all Microsoft partners are thoroughly trained to use Microsoft development tools and all solution have to pass a software verification test

Does this means, Microsoft will install our connector (import one codeunit and install the .NET application)? Because, if they want to test the connector, they also have to install the Shop (osCommerce on Linux with Apache, PHP, MySQL).... :D :D

Does anybody know, how much the add-on registration process will cost?

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Does this means, Microsoft will install our connector (import one codeunit and install the .NET application)? Because, if they want to test the connector, they also have to install the Shop (osCommerce on Linux with Apache, PHP, MySQL).... :D :D

Does anybody know, how much the add-on registration process will cost?

Most likely the test will be done by the same company that do the NAV add-on tests. As far as I know that is Veritest today. No idea of they are going to install all external components.

At the other hand, the Entrepreneur Add-on registration is not needed when no objects in the database are used. Maybe you could think about a solution that has no need for a custom codeunit (don't know if that is possible in your case :-s )
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Solutions which only connect to Microsoft Dynamics Entrepreneur using interface technologies such as C/FRONT or C/ODBC are not required to be registered.


Currently there is no information available about pricing of the add-on registration.

Just a question: what does your solution costs? It should be in line with the price for Entrepreneur.


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Just a question: what does your solution costs? It should be in line with the price for Entrepreneur.

Our connector is a complex piece of software which tooks several months for development. The price of the connector for Entrepreneur isn't defined yet. Perhaps between USD 1,500 - 2,000 ... would this be a reasonable price for Entrepreneur ?

BTW: sorry for my bad english :wink:

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Navvy, the percentage is incorrect. Posting margins on the public web is not very smart by the way...


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p.willemse6 wrote:
Navvy, the percentage is incorrect. Posting margins on the public web is not very smart by the way...

Sorry, it's deleted. I found the margins on the mentioned Partnersource-Site (Document "Frequently Asked Questions for the Add-On Program")...

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At the other hand, the Entrepreneur Add-on registration is not needed when no objects in the database are used. Maybe you could think about a solution that has no need for a custom codeunit (don't know if that is possible in your case )

Solutions which only connect to Microsoft Dynamics Entrepreneur using interface technologies such as C/FRONT or C/ODBC are not required to be registered.


That means, C/FRONT and C/ODBC are included in Entrepreneur ?

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At the other hand, the Entrepreneur Add-on registration is not needed when no objects in the database are used. Maybe you could think about a solution that has no need for a custom codeunit (don't know if that is possible in your case )

Solutions which only connect to Microsoft Dynamics Entrepreneur using interface technologies such as C/FRONT or C/ODBC are not required to be registered.


That means, C/FRONT and C/ODBC are included in Entrepreneur ?

Yes, in the customer licenses that I've seen C/FRONT and C/ODBC is included. C/FRONT is used in the Outlook integration. C/ODBC does not make sense since it is mentioned for C/SIDE databases and not for SQL. Entrepreneur is only shipped as a SQL database.


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Yes, in the customer licenses that I've seen C/FRONT and C/ODBC is included. C/FRONT is used in the Outlook integration. C/ODBC does not make sense since it is mentioned for C/SIDE databases and not for SQL. Entrepreneur is only shipped as a SQL database.

ok, now I'm a little bit confused :-s

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... However, the license agreement states that you must have a user license for each user that accesses the database at one time.

Over C/ODBC and C/FRONT I can access the DB for free (license included) but when I connect direct to MS SQL I have to buy an additional user license ?!

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Yes, a NAS is included to use with the Outlook integration.

Does Outlook integration need both: C/FRONT and the NAS ?

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ok, now I'm a little bit confused :-s

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Over C/ODBC and C/FRONT I can access the DB for free (license included) but when I connect direct to MS SQL I have to buy an additional user license ?!

I can understand, it is somewhat confusing. This is how I understand the license agreement. Anybody, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

The license agreement states that you should have a user license for each user that accesses the database at one time, directly or indirectly. It does not mention the technology that is used to access the database. That could be the NAV client (mostly of course) or any other way like C/FRONT or C/ODBC (for C/SIDE databases). Imagine that you have a few users that use the complete functionality and a lot of other users who only use some screens. Technically you could build your own solution that uses C/FRONT to access and maintain a small part of the database data. However, if you don't have a license for the max number of concurrent users, that would be a violation of the license agreement.
Talking about C/FRONT and C/ODBC in the license: that is just a matter of allowing it that you use these techniques to access the database. It does not say how many users may access the database at one time.

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Does Outlook integration need both: C/FRONT and the NAS ?#-o

Yes, Outlook integration uses both: C/FRONT to connect from Outlook to the database and place a request in table 472 Job Queue Entry and to read the response from table 473 Job Queue Response. The NAS monitors table 472 (using Codeunit 448 Job Queue Dispatchers), handles the requests and places the response in table 473.


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Thank you for this detailed information.

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The license agreement states that you should have a user license for each user that accesses the database at one time, directly or indirectly. It does not mention the technology that is used to access the database. That could be the NAV client (mostly of course) or any other way like C/FRONT or C/ODBC (for C/SIDE databases). Imagine that you have a few users that use the complete functionality and a lot of other users who only use some screens. Technically you could build your own solution that uses C/FRONT to access and maintain a small part of the database data. However, if you don't have a license for the max number of concurrent users, that would be a violation of the license agreement.

Last week I've askeda similar license question about the NAS:
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As far as I know, the NAS connect to the NAV DB under a specified NAV user account. Do we have to license this user separately or is this user included in a NAS license ?

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Navision comes free with 1 NAS user ...

So if I have only 1 user license, I can also use the NAS to access the DB on the same time the user is working on the NAV-Client. Is my conclusion wrong?

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Last week I've askeda similar license question about the NAS:
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As far as I know, the NAS connect to the NAV DB under a specified NAV user account. Do we have to license this user separately or is this user included in a NAS license ?

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Navision comes free with 1 NAS user ...

So if I have only 1 user license, I can also use the NAS to access the DB on the same time the user is working on the NAV-Client. Is my conclusion wrong?

Your conclusion is correct. With an 1 user license you can access the DB with the NAV client and the NAS simultaneously. If you look at File -> Database -> Information, tab Sessions, you will see that an 1 user license has 2 licensed sessions.


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 Post subject: Adding Company Types ?
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If I look into the way to setup new companies there is a possibillity to use XML Templates.

There are 4 now avvailable.

In the table 30066 there is a list of the XML files.

How can we add new company types for different type of customers? Or isn't allowed.

The Table is somehow NOT edditable (Even not with a developer license).

Is there a way to, once you have created a totally new setup to export thes settings to your own XML Setup? Like the RIM modules do?


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 Post subject: Re: Adding Company Types ?
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If I look into the way to setup new companies there is a possibillity to use XML Templates.

There are 4 now avvailable.

In the table 30066 there is a list of the XML files.

How can we add new company types for different type of customers? Or isn't allowed.

The Table is somehow NOT edditable (Even not with a developer license).

Is there a way to, once you have created a totally new setup to export thes settings to your own XML Setup? Like the RIM modules do?

I assume that you mean Form 30066? This form is automatically populated with the content of the Configuration.xml in the Company Settings folder.
New company types / templates can easily be added by providing an extra template in the Company Settings folder and adding an extra entry in the Configuration.xml
Form 8627 can be used to export a new template. You can use one of the existing templates as a basis for your new template by importing them first.


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As said by Kauffmann earlier it is not possible to custom develop in Entrepreneur. MS wants every additional functionality for Entrepreneur tested and standardised. Our company is now making one of the first AddOns for Entrepreneur, we are just entering the Veritest next month.
Our AddON concerns a tool for importing and exporting data in Entrepreneur (e.g. webshops).

We noticed that we had to make the AddOn very open and flexible because of these high standards. Normally you develop an interface for a webshop or you develop an interface for the customers payroll system. But because you have to test and standardise the end result you have to develop AddOns which can be used for multiple purposes, otherwise the testing (which costs quite a bit of money) would be too expensive. For us it resulted in a tool which is very versatile in use and very powerful at the same time.

I heard that MS wants one AddOn for each purpose, unlike NAV where you have lots of AddOns for one thing. What we found very practical is that when making an AddOn for Entrepreneur, you are also making an AddOn for NAV. So it can be helpful. So development in Entrepreneur is only possible through this way.


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 Post subject: Microsoft will stop the distribution of Entrepreneur
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FYI: http://www.mibuso.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 641#135641

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