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Can someone let me know what the honest Non-biased fors and against are for implementing Axapta or Navision ?

I know Navision is easier addoptable to your business needs, while axapta is scalable to more users (150+)

Asking this question in a forum with mostly Navision users will always give you a biased answer.

I am currently at the teched, working for the dynamics staff. Maybe I can drop this subject to some of the microsoft guys and see if I can get some clarification on this subject.

Actualy, when I was in the plane going here I sat next to a guy working with axapta. He also had worked with navision prior to that and confirmed about the adaptobility part.

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make sure you attend this one and tell all about it. I don't know if there is nda on this.

There is also a site that will have videos of the event.

http://virtualteched.com/default.aspx


Nav 5 will have the 3tiered system that axapta has. In 2-4 years there wont't NAV or AX, but just Dynamics.

The question is what is that you are looking for in an ERP system.

yes, I was affraid to get loaded with nav5 stuff.

As a MVP I have some information that is under NDA. I hope to be able to share more after this week.

The 3 tier part is correct, but I don;t know if it is the same as the axapa thing. I'll ask for you. I'll get back on that.

The 2-4 years is way to soon. Other than that, there is a difference between different products and different technologies. Imagine haveing a small company with 5 employees. This requires different functionality than having 150+ employees.

I think there will always be different products for different clients. It is the technology underneath that is going to look-a-like.

Don;t forget, that axapta lost a lot of it;s adoptability when leaving x/al. (the old Damgard programming langage that looked alot like c/al). Maybe Axapta will also be a little more like Navision when it comes to adoptabilaty.

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Microsoft Dynamics AX (formerly Microsoft Business Solution Axapta) , a product for:

∙ All-in-one solution
∙ Pure Microsoft User Interface (UI)
∙ Multi national
∙ Object oriented
∙ 3-tier
∙ High ROI for the customer
∙ Scalability
∙ Connectivity
∙ The international solution

Axapta offers a huge array of modules, which are further divided into product levels that allow the prospect to purchase a customized level of functionality (and also price) to fit the business needs and focus.
With all modules installed, Axapta provides well over 200 reports. The reports are all very professional and can be previewed, printed, saved to file or e-mailed. While many reports from enterprise-level applications are difficult to decipher, Axapta's reports are attractive and formatted for readability.

Below is a list of the modules available in Axapta:

Finance

∙ General Ledger, including three dimensions
∙ Accounts receivable, accounts payable, debtors and creditors
∙ Cash flow management
∙ Multi currency handling
∙ Fixed Assets
∙ Journals with approval procedures
∙ Consolidation and inter-company accounts
∙ Audit trail
∙ Validation

Trade & Logistics

∙ Inventory, stock-taking and item locations
∙ Five inventory dimensions for exact stock-location of items
∙ Direct purchase creation from sales order
∙ Standard cost price
∙ Tools for tracking batch and serial numbers
∙ ABC analysis
∙ Comprehensive bill of materials (BOM) management
∙ Full graphical suite for designing and maintaining bills of
materials using drag-and-drop technology and Multiple
versions of same bill of materials with Formula-based
calculation of bill of material consumption

Master Planning

∙ Master planning - Forecast scheduling
∙ Master scheduling
∙ Net requirements
∙ Planned purchases and production orders
∙ Action and Futures messages
∙ Coverage per warehouse
∙ Seasonal-controlled safety stock

Warehouse management

∙ Item registration and placement
∙ Automatic location selection
∙ Warehouse zones
∙ Shipments
∙ Transport
∙ Pallet types and transport
∙ Store zones and areas
∙ Chaotic storage

Production

∙ Split productions
∙ Measurement formulas
∙ Constant and variable waste
∙ Sub-productions, Sub purchase orders and Subcontractor
monitoring
∙ Forward and backward scheduling
∙ Routes, Route versions and Route approval and Route network
∙ Operations and Secondary operations
∙ Queue, Setup, Run and transport time
∙ Finite and infinite capacity
∙ Multiple resources per operation
∙ Detail capacity scheduling
∙ Gantt scheduling
∙ Task group, sequence, bottleneck scheduling
∙ Job control & monitoring

Projects

∙ Project types Internal Projects, Time and material, Fixed price
∙ Project hierarchy structure
∙ Item-consumption, cost and revenue registration on projects
∙ Gantt charts for showing project plans
∙ Invoicing of hours, item, cost, revenue and milestone payments

CRM

Sales force automation, Marketing automation and Customer service with the following features:
∙ Sales and sales management
∙ Executive information
∙ Time management
∙ Marketing
∙ Telemarketing/Tele sales
∙ Enterprise portals
∙ E-commerce (Customer self service)
∙ ERP integration
∙ Data synchronization

Shop Floor Control

∙ Paperless environment
∙ Registration and analysis of non-productive time
∙ Exact time consumption analysis on jobs
∙ On-line job registration
∙ Automatic pay generating
∙ Work center / employee productivity overview
∙ Job- and team bundling
∙ Flex- and overtime

Human resource management

∙ Overview of the organization
∙ Project groups
∙ Overview of jobs / positions
∙ Skill mapping
∙ Development plans
∙ Loans
∙ Recruitment
∙ Course administration

Knowledge Management

∙ Transaction based
∙ KPI (budgets vs. reality)
∙ Knowledge statistics
∙ Strategic plans supported by actions, milestones, risk analysis
∙ Action / response
∙ Diverted actions
∙ Electronic questionnaire distribution / answer statistics
∙ Extended doc. Archiving

Cost accounting

∙ Fixed cost management
∙ Expense Distribution Sheet
∙ Comparison between real and budget costs
∙ Short term income statement on operations
∙ Cost transparency through cost centers

Product Builder:

∙ Create flexible product models with an easy to use interface for easier configuration
∙ Empower sales people to configure products for demonstration purposes and increase cooperation between sales, production and purchasing
∙ Build stronger relationships with customers and vendors by allowing them to customize or configure their own products using the Web

Thanks for the Modules Name

Regards,
~SA

NAV is smaller, simpler, easier to implement (this does not mean it is simple and small, but it is in simpler and smaller than AX). AX is larger, more complex and takes longer to implement.

AX has more functionally rich modules, but it depends upon the needs of the business. If you do not need the functionality, no point in them being richer!

The points made about AX in the long post are marketing based, and arguably apply to NAV as well.

Mark's statement is probably more accurate in that it is usually business size, and predominently budget, driven. AX sits in the +50 users better than NAV, but I was involved in a 10 user AX site and a 500+ user NAV site, but these are the exceptions. Budget will be a bug driver - AX is simply more expensive to implement as it takes longer.

NAV also has to better user interface tools, but that maybe my preference, if you only ever implement one you never miss what you never had!

This could be discussed for hours, but basically the software that fits best for your business is the one you should buy - it is finding out which one is best for you is the tricky part